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loopholes and put the tax cuts on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> if there's another way to get income from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then why wouldn't we consider it. >> those are publicly unchanged deadlines. whether political theater or political reality, there's more to going over the fiscal cliff far beyond hypothetical. >> i think we're going over the clif. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's the choice we have to make. >> emily joins us live from washington and so ellie, did anyone on any of the talk shows offer something resembling a bipartisan deal, or was effort just negativity? >> when the weekend began, an official who's very familiar with this -- as we saw on the talk shows today, there's no word that anything has been added to anyone's calendars in the past couple of days. so is there hope a deal can be reached? certainly that hope is still alive. but is there a timeline in place as to when it will happen, that's
loopholes and put the tax cuts on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> if there's another way to get income from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then why wouldn't we consider it. >> those are publicly unchanged deadlines. whether political theater or political reality, there's more to going over the fiscal cliff far beyond hypothetical. >> i think we're going over the clif. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all...
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setting up a process for entitlement reform next year, and tax reform next year. but this was way out of balance. and not a recognition on the part of the white house about the serious spending problem that we have. [ inaudible question ] going over the fiscal cliff, you called serious business, extending the lower tax rates -- [ inaudible question ] >> i'm going to do everything i can to avoid putting the american economy, the american people through the fiasco of going over the fiscal cliff. >> which is worse for the economy? [ inaudible question ] could you include a debt limit that is in the overall package? >> as i told the president a couple weeks ago, there's a lot of things i've wanted in my life, but almost all of them had a price tag attached to them. and if we're going to talk about the debt limit in this, then we're -- there's going to be some price tag associated with it. >> last question. >> are you standing by your dollar for dollar -- the increase in the debt limit for cuts? >> are i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be
setting up a process for entitlement reform next year, and tax reform next year. but this was way out of balance. and not a recognition on the part of the white house about the serious spending problem that we have. [ inaudible question ] going over the fiscal cliff, you called serious business, extending the lower tax rates -- [ inaudible question ] >> i'm going to do everything i can to avoid putting the american economy, the american people through the fiasco of going over the fiscal...
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taxes going up. taxes going up on the affordable care act. billions of dollars of taxes and fees. what's the four-year view look like? what's the plan look like? so let's look at the numbers. how much do we get from deductions? how much do we get from expenditures? how much more do we need? how much does obama care add? what is our growth rate? you know, we don't have a plan. >> yeah. >> and we're throwing these dollar numbers around like if they were nothing. >> i spoke with james clyburn, representative clyburn last hour, about the notion of raising tax rates on the wealthy and not where the president wants them. he said i want it higher. take a listen and then talk about it. >> we know where the president is. and that is 250,000. but there are a lot of democrats who voiced back before the campaign 500,000. some say even a million. all of that's going to be negotiated. the president wants 250. if mr. boehner wants to come and offer something different, i'm sure he'll do that but the president stands at 250. which is below even where i was but he won the election. >> do you think
taxes going up. taxes going up on the affordable care act. billions of dollars of taxes and fees. what's the four-year view look like? what's the plan look like? so let's look at the numbers. how much do we get from deductions? how much do we get from expenditures? how much more do we need? how much does obama care add? what is our growth rate? you know, we don't have a plan. >> yeah. >> and we're throwing these dollar numbers around like if they were nothing. >> i spoke with...
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that offer includes an $800 billion in tax revenue but does not include any tax increase on the wealthiest americans. >>> also, our own dana bash, our congressional correspondent asked john boehner why republicans met today to talk about the fiscal cliff and then are going to go home after the meeting and await for the president's response. here's what mr. boehner said. >> reporter: today's wednesday and the house is going to leave today with two days left in the week. i understand that you are saying that there's no legislation that's been on the floor. but when it comes to just pure optics of the house leaving with the fiscal cliff right in front of us -- >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> mr. speaker, does the conference perhaps realize that you don't seem to be negotiating in all of this? >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue than raising rates. because raising
that offer includes an $800 billion in tax revenue but does not include any tax increase on the wealthiest americans. >>> also, our own dana bash, our congressional correspondent asked john boehner why republicans met today to talk about the fiscal cliff and then are going to go home after the meeting and await for the president's response. here's what mr. boehner said. >> reporter: today's wednesday and the house is going to leave today with two days left in the week. i...
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the revenue proposals are $1.6 trillion in revenue and tax increases. it's a massive tax increase. but also not significant and meaningful in entitlement reforms. >> so, anna, i hear comments like those and remarks by john boehner and the president of the united states and i wonder after the election, did we learn anything? because i -- my reading on the election was that the people, the voters wanted compromise. and for the people in washington to talk to each other not at each other. that still appears to be what they're doing, no? >> i think right after the election that was the message that even president obama and john boehner and the entire leadership, we saw that incredible image of the minority and majority leaders on both houses come out saying things that sounded like they were going to cooperate. but, you know, only in washington can that mean nothing quickly. but i do think, look, let's put this in perspective. we have a game of chicken going on here with a lot of posturing. there's 30 days to get this done, which for washington time it's like dog years. it's an eternit
the revenue proposals are $1.6 trillion in revenue and tax increases. it's a massive tax increase. but also not significant and meaningful in entitlement reforms. >> so, anna, i hear comments like those and remarks by john boehner and the president of the united states and i wonder after the election, did we learn anything? because i -- my reading on the election was that the people, the voters wanted compromise. and for the people in washington to talk to each other not at each other....
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too many tax increases. now the republicans have sent over a deal and still no meeting of the minds. you guessed it, not enough tax increases. here we go again. the deal does offer up $600 billion in save frtion medicare reform and other spending cuts and it also suggests raising $800 billion in revenue through tax reform instead of increases, but it just will not budge on raising those taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans. and that is why democrats aren't budging. >> we're glad to finally see republicans joining in the negotiating process instead of watching from the sidelines, but while their proposal may be serious, it's also a nonstarter. they know any agreement that raises taxes on the middle class to protect unnecessary giveaways to the top 2% is doomed from the start. it won't pass. democrats won't agree to it, president obama wouldn't sign such a bill, and the american people won't support it. >> so let's bring in dan lothian because he's at the white house where the president is just about now me
too many tax increases. now the republicans have sent over a deal and still no meeting of the minds. you guessed it, not enough tax increases. here we go again. the deal does offer up $600 billion in save frtion medicare reform and other spending cuts and it also suggests raising $800 billion in revenue through tax reform instead of increases, but it just will not budge on raising those taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans. and that is why democrats aren't budging. >> we're glad to...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> well, move over cheetos, the new snack for the vending machine, ckavycavier, and you probably guessed it will take a little more than 75 cents to get this treat. prices range from $12, okay, possibly reasonable, to $500, a little less so. >>> well, bankruptcy judge has officially given hostess the go ahead to pay out bonuses to its senior executive. the company is liquidating almost 20,000 people losing their jobs. the executives are getting bonuses. how does that -- i'm not good at math, but how does that work? >> it doesn't quite seem fair, does it? but that's exactly what one new york court has sort of ruled on and the bonuses range from about $7,500 to $130,000 and it's only
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> well, move over cheetos, the new snack for the vending machine, ckavycavier,...
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to the tax man. ouch. the missouri fellow, or woman, will pay $75 million to the tax man. i'm sure they'll be okay with that really. trust me. here's some perspective too as well. as we get set to dive over the fiscal cliff, january 1st and our tacks jump up, if these people had won just another month and a half later, guess what would have happened? their winnings would have been slashed by $8 million more, so there's the silver lining in the tax cloud. speaking of clouds, man, is it a mess on the west coast. it's just no let-up in the rain. karen mcginnis is here to talk about the pacific storm that are battering the region. the rain just keeps coming and coming. it's expected to dump four to eight inches on places that have already been deluged with six inches. yes. that spells flooding, doesn't it? >> it really does. this will be the big concern as we head towards the weekend. up and down the west coast from seattle to san diego, they're being impacted by fierce winds, heavy rain, and it looks li
to the tax man. ouch. the missouri fellow, or woman, will pay $75 million to the tax man. i'm sure they'll be okay with that really. trust me. here's some perspective too as well. as we get set to dive over the fiscal cliff, january 1st and our tacks jump up, if these people had won just another month and a half later, guess what would have happened? their winnings would have been slashed by $8 million more, so there's the silver lining in the tax cloud. speaking of clouds, man, is it a mess on...
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how can you tax it? >> reporter: that's the huge piece that needs to be worked out by the washington state bureau of liquor that's going to run all of this just like they regulate liquor sales, they're going to regulate marijuana sales. they're going to license and tax the growing, the processing and retail sales for all marijuana all at 25% plus fees for every individual that goes into those various businesses. they project that in the first five years nearly $2 billion from this program alone. >> and then this is not the only state because during this federal election there were two states that ended up on positive end of legalizing recreational marijuana. the other one being colorado. why do we not see a party there today? >> reporter: because they haven't made it legal yet. the governor there has to act before january 5th and then they will make it at some point legal to possess pot there as well. and then they'll have to go through the same process of setting up the rules to figure this out. advocat
how can you tax it? >> reporter: that's the huge piece that needs to be worked out by the washington state bureau of liquor that's going to run all of this just like they regulate liquor sales, they're going to regulate marijuana sales. they're going to license and tax the growing, the processing and retail sales for all marijuana all at 25% plus fees for every individual that goes into those various businesses. they project that in the first five years nearly $2 billion from this program...
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in a way by getting rid of tax loopholes which they feel rather than raise the tax rates will have less of a negative impact on the economy. at the end i think there will be a little bit of movement on their side possibly raising the dollar income level that we have for that and making so it's a combination of increases as well as loopholes, but, frankly, the president's policy of just trying to punish the rich is what he seems to be interested in is also counterproductive, frankly. >> i saw jason johnson shaking his head no. >> this is not true. they haven't specified what any of these taxes are. they're trying to sell people a bridge and you don't even know where the bridge is going. that's one of the reasons the white house rejected the plan but here is the other reason why the republicans are eventually just going to go along and raise taxes and deal. the most important number in this whole debate is 56. 56% of the public according to a recent poll will blame the republican party in congress if this deal does not get done. they do not need another public relations hit after being sh
in a way by getting rid of tax loopholes which they feel rather than raise the tax rates will have less of a negative impact on the economy. at the end i think there will be a little bit of movement on their side possibly raising the dollar income level that we have for that and making so it's a combination of increases as well as loopholes, but, frankly, the president's policy of just trying to punish the rich is what he seems to be interested in is also counterproductive, frankly. >> i...
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by the end of the year everything will be regulated and taxed very heavily here. 25% tax. proponents say they will raise a half billion dollars. $500 million a year from the sale of marijuana and marijuana products in washington state once this gets going. >> while many there are celebrating, colorado isn't ready to spark up just yet. voters cast votes to legalize marijuana as well but it won't officially be legal for another month. jim spelman is in denver, colorado. what's the holdup? >> reporter: the governor has to cross ts and dot is to make this official. like in washington state, there's uncertainty about what the federal government is going to do before we can really have fully implemented legalized marijuana here. take a look. on election day colorado voted to legalize marijuana and by early january the governor will make it official. but don't expect the streets of denver to look like this. smoking pot in public will remain illegal but behind closed doors the times are a changing. >> adults 21 and over can possess small amounts of marijuana and grow small amounts
by the end of the year everything will be regulated and taxed very heavily here. 25% tax. proponents say they will raise a half billion dollars. $500 million a year from the sale of marijuana and marijuana products in washington state once this gets going. >> while many there are celebrating, colorado isn't ready to spark up just yet. voters cast votes to legalize marijuana as well but it won't officially be legal for another month. jim spelman is in denver, colorado. what's the holdup?...
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loopholes and reform the tax code, on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> the fact is if there's another way to get revenue from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then would wouldn't he consider it? >> reporter: that's are publicly unchanged position was a deadline that's set. whether political theater or political reality, there's more mention going over the fiscal cliff could go beyond hypothetical. >> there's clearly a chance. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they've made a political calculation. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then, you know, that's the choice they're going to have to make. >> emily joins us live from washington. emily, the zinger sound bites, they're all piling up. what is the actual strategy behind all this political theater? what are you hearing from the republicans and from the democrats? >> reporter: you know, less than a month out now from going over the fiscal cliff. even talk about p
loopholes and reform the tax code, on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> the fact is if there's another way to get revenue from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then would wouldn't he consider it? >> reporter: that's are publicly unchanged position was a deadline that's set. whether political theater or political reality, there's more mention going over the fiscal cliff could go beyond hypothetical. >> there's clearly a chance. >>...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s and dot our "i"s, we still run into problems -- mainly other humans. at liberty mutual insurance, we understand. that's why our auto policies come with accident forgiveness if you qualify, where your rates won't go up due to your first accident, and new car replacement, where if you total your new car, we give you the money for a new one. call... to talk to an insurance expert about everything else that comes standard with our base auto policy. [ tires squeal ] and if you get into an accident and use one of our certified repair shops, your repairs are guaranteed for life. call... to switch, and you could save hund
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s...
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see a tax hike. here's the thing. even the top 2%, even folks who make more than $250 on,000, they would still keep their tax cut on the first $250,000 of income. they would still be better off for them too for us to go ahead and get that done. families would have a sense of security going into the new year. companies like this one would know what to xwp in terms of planning for next year and the year after. that means people's jobs would be secure. the sooner congress gets this done, the sooner our economy will get a boost. it would then give us in washington more time to work together on that long-range plan to bring down deficits in a balanced way. tax reform, working on entitlements, and asking the wealthiest americans to pay a little bit more so we can keep investing in things like education and research that make us strong. those are the choices that we have. and understand, this was a central question in the election. maybe the central question in the election. you remember had. we talked abou
see a tax hike. here's the thing. even the top 2%, even folks who make more than $250 on,000, they would still keep their tax cut on the first $250,000 of income. they would still be better off for them too for us to go ahead and get that done. families would have a sense of security going into the new year. companies like this one would know what to xwp in terms of planning for next year and the year after. that means people's jobs would be secure. the sooner congress gets this done, the...
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said, look, instead of raising the tax rates why don't we close loopholes in the tax system, make the tax system more efficient and stop picking winners and losers. i think that's the latest offer the republicans have put on the table. they're not opposed to a tax increase. they're basically saying let's do it the right way in a way that doesn't hurt the economy. >> yeah, but stephen, you could close every loophole that's out there and that wouldn't make up for our deficit. >> no, but the president's plan of raising taxes on the rich, let's assume even he has his way. let's assume republicans go along with his plan. that at best raises about $70 billion a year. that leaves us with a trillion dollar deficit. this puts the president i think in a little bit of a hole. if the republicans give his way, what's plan "b"? what do we do next to deal with the deficit? the president and tim geithner basically this weekend said we've got plans to cut entitlements by 400 bill or ion 500 billion dollars. that's over ten years. we have a much bigger hole than i think anyone in washington is willing
said, look, instead of raising the tax rates why don't we close loopholes in the tax system, make the tax system more efficient and stop picking winners and losers. i think that's the latest offer the republicans have put on the table. they're not opposed to a tax increase. they're basically saying let's do it the right way in a way that doesn't hurt the economy. >> yeah, but stephen, you could close every loophole that's out there and that wouldn't make up for our deficit. >> no,...
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minimum tax. that's the only part of this whole mess that actually affects your 2012 taxes. it is a big problem, and it would hit like 30 million families who don't know it's coming, but most of this increase affects your 2013 taxes. so you wouldn't actually -- you would feel it in withholding, feel it in your paycheck, but they have time to fix this before you file your 2013 taxes to give you back some of that money. >> time to fix this, laurie montgomery, thank you. i want to start there with dana bash here in a moment. because the fiscal cliff debate is starting to sound like, you know, a high stakes game of chicken. there is all kinds of tough talk. no action. right now democrats and republicans are refusing to compromise on this key sticking point, how to get more money from wealthy people. president obama, you know the deal, he wants to raise tax rates for the wealthy. house speaker john boehner wants to close tax loopholes, limit deductions for the wealthy. let's stay on the hill here, let'
minimum tax. that's the only part of this whole mess that actually affects your 2012 taxes. it is a big problem, and it would hit like 30 million families who don't know it's coming, but most of this increase affects your 2013 taxes. so you wouldn't actually -- you would feel it in withholding, feel it in your paycheck, but they have time to fix this before you file your 2013 taxes to give you back some of that money. >> time to fix this, laurie montgomery, thank you. i want to start...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. side by side so you get the same coverage, often for less. that's one smart board. what else does it do, reverse gravity? [ laughs ] [ laughs ] [ whooshing ] tell me about it. why am i not going anywhere? you don't believe hard enough. a smarter way to shop around. now that's progressive. call or click today. [ grunting ] >> breaking news our boston here. two trolleys that have collided. we're just getting information and details now. six people are injured. 20 are being evacuated for potential injuries. this is video of the scene here. this in the area of park and tremont. my old stomping grounds. went to college in the boston yar. the transportation authority saying that this took
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. side by side so you get the same coverage, often for less. that's one smart board. what else...
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at today's dividend tax rate of just 15%. that will be a big savings for him if the dividend tax does double as it may do next year. the doom and gloom of the fiscal cliff hides an important point about our economy. we play our cards right, america could be headed for another economic renaissance. short-term indicators are looking good. jobs are being created, consumer debt is shrinking. the housing market is making a comeback. forget silver linings, housing has been the golden lining around the economic cloud hanging over the country. mortgage rates are expected to stay low through 2014. home affordability is as good as it it's been in generations. that's going to attract buyers who spent the last few years waiting for prices to bottom out. that's going to help millions of homeowners who currently owe more on their homes than the home is worth. the home prices rising, confidence will return. and longer term prospects also have some real hope in america. we're in the midst of a domestic energy boom that will fuel growth for y
at today's dividend tax rate of just 15%. that will be a big savings for him if the dividend tax does double as it may do next year. the doom and gloom of the fiscal cliff hides an important point about our economy. we play our cards right, america could be headed for another economic renaissance. short-term indicators are looking good. jobs are being created, consumer debt is shrinking. the housing market is making a comeback. forget silver linings, housing has been the golden lining around...
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because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the richest americans. >> republicans say tax hikes on the wealthy mean tax hikes for small businesses, something they insist they cannot accept. here is long-time gop senator orin hatch. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are indicating a disastrous thelma and louise idea, that will put us in jeopardy, for small business and other parts of the economy. >> they agreed that tax cuts should be renewed for everybody making less than $250,000 a year. but democrats want the tax cuts for the very wealthy to expire. >>> and reigniting the trayvon martin debate, and whether the famous "stand your ground law" should be out lawed. and may havs where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.9% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. [ male announcer ] polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day. a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medica
because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the richest americans. >> republicans say tax hikes on the wealthy mean tax hikes for small businesses, something they insist they cannot accept. here is long-time gop senator orin hatch. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are indicating a disastrous thelma and louise idea, that will put us in jeopardy, for small business and other parts of the economy. >> they agreed that tax cuts should be renewed for everybody...
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so to put a tax rise, a tax rate increase for the middle class makes no sense to me. someone who makes 50, 60, $70,000 a year will lose and will take away a lot of discretionary purchases from people like me and travel and a whole host of other areas. i hope our leaders in washington are listening and they take the steps necessary to get to a compromise before the end of the year. >> very quickly, very simply, optimistic or pessimistic? >> i'm optimistic, 1,000% confident they'll get this solved by the end of the year. >> thank you, michael. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> so what was meant to be a discussion on recovery efforts in the wake of superstorm standee erupted into tears and outbursts of anger. it was standing room only at the town hall meeting on staten island as people who lost everything begged for help from fema. wabc's carol lee was there. >> reporter: more than 700 people packed the auditorium for a town hall meeting for superstorm sandy victims on staten island. there was a time to discuss business and a chance to lay out their emotions. >> we are ex
so to put a tax rise, a tax rate increase for the middle class makes no sense to me. someone who makes 50, 60, $70,000 a year will lose and will take away a lot of discretionary purchases from people like me and travel and a whole host of other areas. i hope our leaders in washington are listening and they take the steps necessary to get to a compromise before the end of the year. >> very quickly, very simply, optimistic or pessimistic? >> i'm optimistic, 1,000% confident they'll...
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of course, the white house, the president wants to raise it on tax ritz. the republicans say no way. >> is there any concern among republicans because we know they're not all kind of lining in lock step on what to do here. this doesn't look good, the optics of it all, them leaving and going home. a lot of people look at this that and go really, you're not going to try, stick around, get more work done here? are they worried it can backfire? >> i actually asked the speaker that very question. he said, look, i'm here. i'm going to be here. i'm going to be waiting for the president to respond. certainly there is some concern, but as one republican told our deirdre washington a short while ago, look, it is what it is. it is the reality. the reality is there is a lot of waiting going on. on both sides, but particularly right now when it comes to republicans. one of the sort of subplots we've been talking about here, suzanne, you and i talk abouted it about it yesterday is the conservative backlash missed the republican party against the speaker for this counter
of course, the white house, the president wants to raise it on tax ritz. the republicans say no way. >> is there any concern among republicans because we know they're not all kind of lining in lock step on what to do here. this doesn't look good, the optics of it all, them leaving and going home. a lot of people look at this that and go really, you're not going to try, stick around, get more work done here? are they worried it can backfire? >> i actually asked the speaker that very...
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those bush era tax cuts should not extend for them. republicans believing that all americans should benefit from those tax cuts, and that now you should put en titlements on the table. of as we see, the officials from the white house going up to capitol hill today, treasury secretary timothy geithner, to try to hammer out some deals. still, both sides far apart. >> well, i want to talk about that a little bit. there was an article on politico.com this morning that said the two sides are farther along with a deal than we know. and that all of this stuff that you're hearing out in the public view is just posturing. what are you hearing, dan? >> reporter: well, you know, we certainly -- i think everyone hopes so, that they are closer to a teal. what you're hearing is some people are optimistic, including the president, saying he's optimistic this can get done, even before christmas. but then you have others stepping up saying both sides are far apart, and very pessimistic this can get done. as i stated, there's still some very strong view
those bush era tax cuts should not extend for them. republicans believing that all americans should benefit from those tax cuts, and that now you should put en titlements on the table. of as we see, the officials from the white house going up to capitol hill today, treasury secretary timothy geithner, to try to hammer out some deals. still, both sides far apart. >> well, i want to talk about that a little bit. there was an article on politico.com this morning that said the two sides are...
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also bush era tax cuts set to x expire, so the majority of americans will pay more taxes. also at stake, the payroll tax holiday and unemployment benefits expect to get cut. dana, in your most recent column, you say it doesn't seem like anyone is doing anything but photo ops and news conferences. one politician was quoted as saying, effectively, we have a month. that's loads of time. is this a sophisticated game of chicken? >> it's a rather unsophisticated game of chicken, kind of elementary. what they're doing, both sides really, is doing a lot of posturing and waiting until they get close to the deadline if not go over the deadline because they feel if they go over the deadline, they're in a position to tell their hard core supporters, look, we have really got to make this deal now or that's the end. the economy goes back into recession. it's almost as if they can't strike a deal before you get to the very end, which is understandable. the problem is when you play this game, you can make a terrible mistake, and you know, they're gambling with the whole country here right
also bush era tax cuts set to x expire, so the majority of americans will pay more taxes. also at stake, the payroll tax holiday and unemployment benefits expect to get cut. dana, in your most recent column, you say it doesn't seem like anyone is doing anything but photo ops and news conferences. one politician was quoted as saying, effectively, we have a month. that's loads of time. is this a sophisticated game of chicken? >> it's a rather unsophisticated game of chicken, kind of...